Good and cheap logo and banner makers ?

[chauy.com]

Hello buddies,
Do anyone know about any good and cheap logo and banner makers OR already made logos ? Please post if you know about any one.

[bugmaster]

only know the easy route, photoshop, and its not cheap... maybe ebay for logo templates but you really are going to get CHEAP hehe

Regards,
Bugmaster
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